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Post by cjrinme on Apr 14, 2009 17:19:19 GMT -5
Will 7 pull Leno when the ratings tank which I believe they will? How much time are they giving Leno at 10 p.m.? This move could put many stations in more financial straits since the 11 p.m. news is their bread & butter....
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Post by tmac505 on Apr 14, 2009 22:10:40 GMT -5
brighton, i wasn't talking about specific programing with regards to "muscle." i mean that this was a PR victory; NBC was able to show that they won't back down, which is a positive for them in the long run, IMO.
and just as a viewer, i am glad that leno's show is still on (i seem to be the only one). i enjoy the tonight show, but find that its too late. 10PM is a good hour for comedy, so i look forward to it.
i seem to be one of the only people around with this sentiment, but whatever.
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Post by brightonboris on Apr 16, 2009 14:30:02 GMT -5
brighton, i wasn't talking about specific programing with regards to "muscle." i mean that this was a PR victory; NBC was able to show that they won't back down, which is a positive for them in the long run, IMO. and just as a viewer, i am glad that leno's show is still on (i seem to be the only one). i enjoy the tonight show, but find that its too late. 10PM is a good hour for comedy, so i look forward to it. i seem to be one of the only people around with this sentiment, but whatever. Nothing smoothes things out like a big check which Ansin gets for all his headaches and NBC has no disruption in the pipeline. So, a win-win for both sides short-term. Longterm, NBC will have many more unhappy customers...and Ansin will be proven right. |
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Post by newser on Apr 16, 2009 23:16:25 GMT -5
You're right about the big check, which I'm sure NBC reminded Mr. Ansin he has been receiving for quite a few years. Truth is, without that NBC programming and news division, he wouldn't be on the chart at all. Let's put it like this, they're bringing a lot more to the table that he is. As for the Leno debate, there are obviously a lot of people who watch him every night as the largest audience late night show in Boston. As a previous post mentioned, 10 p.m. is an hour when many younger people who start early and end early are winding down. Demos are strong for Leno and could be much better an hour and a half earlier. It won't produce spectacular numbers, but on the other hand, you are presuming continued stronger programming on other networks. That is not a given, as much as Leno's failure is not one either. And quite possibly, the relevance of a late night newscast might be reaching a crossroads since most people are aware of the significant news as it is reported throughout the day.
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Post by newsie007 on Apr 18, 2009 14:49:17 GMT -5
The only thing Darth Ansin proved to NBC - in my humble opinion - is that he is an affiliate that can no longer be trusted.
Ansin played poker with the big boys in Burbank... tried to stare them down... and he folded and caved.
He overestimated his power beyond the confines of Boston and Miami... and severely underestimated the resolve of NBC to exercise it's influence. NBC cannot.. and did not, allow a lone affiliate or individual like Ansin to revolt, embarrass, and create two weeks of bad international PR for them.
Those who think NBC is afraid to "lose" Ansin or his station... need only think of the swiftness of their threat to pull Ansin's NBC affiliation. NBC didn't negotiate, stall, or worry about WHDH openly. They acted with the sledgehammer immediately.
The clear message to Ansin - you lose Leno... YOU lose your affiliation - NOW!
From here on... like a bad relationship where one of the couple cheats on the other... NBC will no longer trust Ed Ansin.
... and between now - and their affiliation renewal in a few years... NBC is likely already seeking alternatives to WHDH... or will play fierce hardball with him if they decide to continue an unsteady relationship with him.
In either case - the Force will not be with Darth Ansin ... in the long run.
Just my opinion... I could be wrong.
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Post by mvjournalist on Apr 18, 2009 22:14:05 GMT -5
The fiasco with WHDH flip flopping on Jay Leno just proves that Mr. Ansin doesn't care what the Burbank folk want him to do. He just wants to do what Ansin wants to do. As of late I don't even bother with watching 7 News.... The reason why? - The 7News at Noon tends to be repeating between 12:30 and 1 pm I am all set with 30 mins of news @ noon. Trim that 30 mins use it somewhere else.
- The Randy Price debauchery totally sickened me and more than likely is the reason why I have changed my viewing to Fox 25 News. To me it doesn't matter what your background is. If you can deliver my news in a professional manner then I will be happy. His loss just shoots down EVERYTHING that my journalism professors taught me in college. I am old school and I don't need any flashy garbage from flashy people.
- When WHDH aired a Sky 7 shot of a State Police incident they said they did not know how it happened. After some investigating on my part using my resources this accident involving a member of the MA State Police stemmed from the officer stopping a vehicle that was involved in a three state police pursuit.
The irony?? I am sure in their flashy news room they must have scanners running catching incidents as they occur. Above all the local print media here had the story breaking on their web site. Obviously those at 7 News fell asleep at the wheel (no pun intended). Even a day later tey reported that they still had no reason to the cause of the accident.
Since 1993 when Mr. Ansin purchased WHDH its really not been a great caliber news organization. It's Miami fast paced style news in cold New England where we like our facts straight and to the point. |
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Post by newsie007 on Apr 18, 2009 22:27:25 GMT -5
A Postscript...
Even if Leno FAILS miserably... that will not be the point when it comes to the relationship between WHDH and NBC.
Anyone who thinks all be forgiven if - or when - Leno fails ... is missing the bigger picture in regards to WHDH's affiliation status.
IF Leno fails... NBC is not going to come to the Dark Lord of Bulfinch Place... with a groveling mea culpa saying "Ed, you were right all along... boy, were WE dumb".
NBC will internally accept blame for the Leno risk... and it's success or failure will take place in Burbank alone.
Re: WHDH... NBC already sees Ansin as someone who wasn't a team player... when, the network was in trouble. And, he'll also be seen as someone who ADDED to those troubles - needlessly... when support for Leno was needed.
Leno's possible failure will not give Ansin ANY leverage with future dealings with NBC. His saying "I told you so"... will only point out to Burbank execs their own failure
... and Hollywood does not like to accept blame... especially from a troublesome affiliate in Boston. NBC has severed ties with Sunbeam in the past on national programming produced at Bulfinch Place.... that pre-dates some of you reading this
... simply because the programming produced - as good as it was... was too bothersome for NBC, due to WHDH executives defying NBC's wishes in Burbank.
NBC will have no problem severing ties down the line with Ansin... if they have to... or simply want to.
Nuff Said.
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Post by bostonmediaguy on Apr 19, 2009 7:11:04 GMT -5
... and Hollywood does not like to accept blame... especially from a troublesome affiliate in Boston. NBC has severed ties with Sunbeam in the past on national programming produced at Bulfinch Place.... that pre-dates some of you reading this ... simply because the programming produced - as good as it was... was too bothersome for NBC, due to WHDH executives defying NBC's wishes in Burbank. NBC will have no problem severing ties down the line with Ansin... if they have to... or simply want to. Nuff Said. Surely the affiliation agreement came up for renewal between the end of "Real Life" and now. If NBC wanted to end it then, they could have. However, it is worth noting that NBC DID purchase nbc60.com and nbc68.com a few weeks ago in addition to already owning nbcboston.com. I would have to imagine, however, that Ansin (Sunbeam) got something out of this and nobody is saying what. I can't imagine that the loss of NBC would have been too detrimental to the bottom line. The demos for the younger-skewing CW may have made any possible change a wash. |
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Post by frogger on Apr 19, 2009 11:14:36 GMT -5
The "demos" for the CW? Please. That network is the ***stard stepchild of the WB. Nobody watches it. To say affiliation with NBC or the CW is a "wash"...is ludricrous.
I don't care how young the viewer is.....they don't watch news...they don't have a lot of income. as the old saying goes..."nothing from nothing leaves nothin'"
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Post by chrisnh on Apr 19, 2009 18:25:26 GMT -5
Congratulations, Ed. By backing down, you just assured that 7 News at 11 PM will remain in last place. FOR SURE. Except with an EVEN WORSE lead-in than you've enjoyed lately. Oh, did I mention, not just a lower total audience, but older demos, too? And did I mention...its not just Monday nights--or Wednesday nights..... Its EVERY SINGLE NIGHT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY...for the foreseeable future. Now you remember why you fought that fight in the first place. Do you REALLY want to let GE run you into the ground, so THEY can meet their operating budgets??? So this means that instead of the WHDH 'talent' pleading 20 times during each prime-time evening for viewers to 'Stay Tuned' for their news, they'll be doing it 40 times. Wonderful. |
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Post by andy on Aug 6, 2009 22:50:08 GMT -5
Tonight I saw an ad for Jay's upcoming comedy show that he is having at Emerson, it is being sponsored by 7. I wonder if this is to try and appease any bad feelings between the two after the whole preempting his show for a newscast?
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